Astrid H

Dette var ille. Jeg tror jeg vil ta en stor runde rundt telleapparatet, men hvordan har de tenkt å overvåke dyrene? Er dyrene de har tenkt å overvåde merket med sendere eller noe sånnt? Det tror jeg nok er for komplissert. Hvis det er sattelittovervåking, kan man vel egentlig få veldig nøyaktige bilder både av folk og fe. Jeg liker ikke tanken på at noen skal sitte ett eller annet sted å se hva jeg foretar meg på tur i fjellet. Ragnar, du har jo veldig god greie på kommunikasjonsutstyr. Har du noen synspunkter på dette?

Det er tydeligvis en del folk på dette forumen som ikke liker hunder. Det virker også som om de samme folkene heller ikke liker hunde-eiere. Selv er jeg glad i hunder og mange andre dyr, men ikke så glad i folk som kaster "drit" på hundeeiere.

Jeg stemmer for Store Skagstølstind. Den har en flottere aura enn Stetind, selv om Stetind er et veldig vakkert fjell.

Hei, to saftige turer dere har hatt.

Hei, jeg ville ha lagt meg i lenker lenge før det.

[Ja, det unner jeg hver enkelt! Jeg syns et slikt "inngrep" ikke er verre enn alpinanlegg/lysløyper etc. At de som starter opp no slikt, også tar seg betalt, ja HALLO vi lever i 2006............ Så min subjektive mening er: Greit med en viss form for tilrettelegging, men absolutt ikke i nasjonalparkene. De er bla opprettet for å unngå inngrep!

Hei, det er også en via ferrata i Lom opp på Lomseggen i forbindelse med Nissegården camping. Da jeg forhørte meg i telefonen fikk jeg absolutt inntrykk av at man ikke kunne gå der på egen hånd uten å betale. Det hadde vært fint om en kunne fått en juridisk avklaring på hvorvidt de kan nekte folk å gå der på egen hånd, selvfølgelig da med eget utstyr.

Er nok statist i denne sammehengen, skjønner jeg, men morro lell.

Slenger istedet ut et nytt bilde, uten like gode ledetråder som ods gir : Hvilke topper ser vi her? Kan det være Sjogholstind, evt, sett fra Mjølken? I bakgrunnen må da i tilfelle være ende på Raudalseggi

Hello again, let us assume that she wanted to reach Besseggen. She could then have slept in the emergency-shelter before she reached Gjendebu. Perhaps she could have stayed there without leaving any trace. There is a trail from this shelter to Memurubu, letting her avoid the steep part, Bukkelegeret. She could have had an accident on this part, and perhaps it would be difficult to cross the river at Memurubu, Mura. If she has taken a chance here, she could probably have been taken by the river into Gjende. If she has taken the other way to Besseggen, via Glitterheim, she could have reached Glitterheim, discovered that she needed a key to get into the self-service part. She could then have deceded to sleep outside. It could have been very difficult to cross the river Glitra. I was at Glitterheim a little earlier in the season once together with my sister in law. We were carrying the skies up to Skautflya from Spiterstulen at went skiing from there to Glitterheim. There was a lot of snow, and in the flat area under Veobreen, the skitrail went straight throug, there was a lot of slush, and suddenly I went trough the slush and stood there with slush up to my knees, there was a small river under the slush, but over the ice. Luckily I did not go trough the ice. My sister in law helped med with my backpack, and slowly I managed to turn around with the skies still om my feet and got up on the slush again. The weather was extremely good, and there was no danger beeing wet. If Marijke has taken this way, she could have fallen into the river at this place, probably following the rest of the skisticks. If she reched Glitterheim without leaving any trace, she could alsa have had a tremendous problem crossing Glitra. On this same trip with my sister in law, we wanted to go to Nautgardstind, but the river was big and there were no bridge. We found a big lather and placed it over the river and very carefully, with the skies on, crossing the river on that lather. We took the lather with us over, and placed it back again when we came back. There are som many possibilitias where she can have had an accident.

[Hello again, I think it is very peculiar that she should have taken a trip for more than one day without asking at Spiterstulen about the cabins and other things. It was mentioned somewhere that she was an experienced traveller, and had been i Sout America. But if she did, and found the cabin closed, she could have slept under open sky, because she had a sleeping bag and supposingly warm clothes. And if she had taken a daytrip, she would have taken a trip where she did not return to Spiterstulen, otherwise whe would have left her heavy backpack there and taken just her small shoulderbag. If she has thought like this, I think there are four possibilities: 1. She has gone to Leirvassbu, where there is a road. That road was not open at that time. (We had ourselves thought about driving to Leirvassbu, but checked the road and got the answer that it was open to Geitsetra. So if she got to Leirvassbu, and the cabin was closed, she could have moved on along the road, to try to get to the mainroad. The tarrain from Spiterstulen to Leirvassbu has been searched, I understand, but have they surched along the road from Leirvassbu til the main-road. The terrain is kind and not difficult, but she could have fallen in a river on this part. 2. She could have taken the trail from Spiterstulen to Juvasshytta. I have not read anything about searching her 3. She could have taken the trail from Spiterstueln to Raubergstulen. I havn't heard anything from the search on this part eather. But it is absolutley possible that the helicopter has searched for her here. 4. She could have taken the trail up to Skautflya and further the trial down to the road in Visdalen. The last part of this trail is in the woods, and would be difficult for the helicopter to search. I think she must have had som food in her Backpack, since she did not eat breakfast at Spiterstulen.

Hausdalshorgi i forgrunnen, ja, men Svinningen i bakgrunnen.

Jeg skjønner at det må dreie seg om en ryggtravers, og som de fleste går som en ryggtravers. Hvis det ikke er Skagastølsryggen, så tror jeg ikke det er noen av de andre ryggene i Hurrungadn. Hva står da igjen. Jo, Torfinnstindene, kanskje eller noe i nærheten. Knutsholstindene blir mye gått uten at de tas som en travers. Likeså Tjørnholstindene, kan det vær noe i mellom Knutshols- og Tjørnholstindene?

Hei, kan det være et parti på Skagastølsryggen?

Hei, for en del år siden dro mannen min og jeg en tur til Alpene. Det var vår første tur til et område med muligheter for å kjenne på "høydesyke" Vi reiste med bil nedover Tyskeland og ende opp i Saas Fee. Der tok vi bane opp i ca. 3000 m og gikk et kort stykke bort til Britanica hytten. Vi hadde med oss ski og det hadde vært en spesielt snørik vinter - også i Norge. Britanica-hytten ligger på ca 3000 m. Jeg har hørt at den skal ha blitt restaurert i de seinere år. Vi reiste veldig tidlig i juli, og parkerte på en diger parkeringsplass i Saas Fee. Fra Britanica-hytten gikk vi førte dagen (på ski) opp i et skar under Allalinhorn. Været var veldig fint og det var et fantastisk syn som møtte oss i skaret. Vi så rett bort på Matterhorn. Det er et utrolig vakkert fjell. Skaret lå på ca. 3.800 og vi mente at det var nok den første dagen. Neste dagen gikk vi til Strahlhorn, 4.200 m, først på ski opp en lang bre opp til et skar og så på beina opp til toppen. Ned igje på ski gikk det så det suste. Andre grupper som gikk på beina brukte lang tid ned igjen. På nedturen kom vi inn i et sprekkområde og jeg hadde følelsen av at vi manøvrerte mellom store sprekker. Det gikk heldigvis bra. Vi burda ha tatt en litt annen løype, men vi kom trygt ned på et brebasseng lenger nede og fint tilbake til hytten. Neste topp var Alalinhorn. Da dro vi tilbake til banen og tok den litt lenger opp i fjellet til et skisenter og gikk på beina derfra. Det var en veldig lett tur. Britanica hytten var et artig sted. Mannen min heter Stein til fornavn. men det skjønte de ikke og vi ble hetende "gruppe Stein" Vi fikk ansvar for et bord og ved siden av oss var en annen gruppen som het "Zumstein" De var der for å aklimatisere seg til Kilimajaro og var veldig "tensed" Britanica hytten var et hyggelig sted, men den er sikkert flottere nå. Etter Alalinhorn dro vi ned i bygden overnattet og dro så opp til Weismiess. Det var også en grei topp. Vi tenkte så at vi nå hadde nok innabords til å dra på Mont Blanc, og dro med bilen til Chamonix. Det var ekstremt varmt den dagen og vi reiste på motorveien med nedrullede vinduer. Vi slo opp teltet på en campingplass i nærheten av Chamonix med tanke på å ta banen opp tidlig neste morgen, men utmattet av varmen sovnet vi i teltet med alle klærne på og alle lufteluker åpne. Vi våknet i vanndam. Det hadde blitt en voldsom overoppheting og tordenvær og styrtbyger. Vi var kliss våte og det førte til at motivasjonen for Mont Blanc forsvant. Det fristet ikke å starte den turen med våte soveposer. Vi dro derfor til Paris og Fountainblau-skogen. Det var et idyllisk sted med massevis av buldremuligheter, men det var i grunnen litt for varmt. Du kunne risikere å brenne deg på steinene. Alt i alt var det en flott tur, og det ga oss litt erfaring med tynn luft. Seinere har vi vært på en 6.100 meter i Sør-Amerika og på Kilimanjaro. Mannen min har også forsøkt seg på en 7000 meter i Khazakstan, Khan Tengri, men det ble for dårlig vær til at han kom på toppen.

Hello, I have understood that the hard way.

Hello again, I just wrote a long letter to the forum, but because Ragnars letter was so long, only my name came trhough. I will not write the same again, but perhaps another time

Hello Julia, the weather was rather cold that sunday, and it was no sun at all. We did not feel any discomfort at all crossing those "bridges" on our way up or on our way down.

Hello again, it should be possible for the police to find out if she used her credit card in Lom where she stayed the day before she came to Spiterstulen, og if she did, in what sort of shop she used it. That would indicate if she had food or not. She could also have bought food in Gerianger. Perhaps she brought food from Holland, and perhaps her friends in Oslo know something about this. But if she had bought food recently there is a grater posibility that she would travel to another cabin in Jotunheimen. As Steinbukken writes, there is very unlikely that she went to Svellnosbreen, since we were there ourselves, and did not see any woman. The river that we crossed was not difficult at all, and it was laid out some bridges. The other polish people we met walked with two youngsters (supposingly 12 and 15 years old). If she had walked this way, she must have left the trail. And there was some places the trail were split up, but again the trail was not difficult at all. Another thing: it seems that the polish man she hiked with had nothing to do with the polish we met at "Eventyrisen". That is a little strange, but possible. There were people on Galdhøpiggen that Sunday, (we talked to some when we came back to the parking place that had been to Galdhøpiggen) but if she had taken the path to Juvass, I don't know if there was anybody else following that track that day. She was seen 500m from Spiterstulen on the path to Leirvassbu or Gjendebu, but are the observations absolutely or are the just indicating that it was her. And if it was her, she could have returned. I really hope they'll find her soon.

Hello again, I was the one who wrote that she seemed to be waiting for someone. That was my interpretation after I read that she was observed standing outside the door with her rucksack. But together with the information that she did not eat breakfast or having a lunchpacket, it seemed to me as a very likely posibillity that she would go back to Lom or something with a car. But of course there is the posibility that she had brought some food with her. She bought a map of the area, that is indicating that she would like to take a walk at least around Spiterstulen, perhaps before having a lift down to the civilization later that same day. But if she would planning just a short walk, why didn't she leave her luggage at Spiterstulen, just taking the small shoulderbag she had on the photo that was taken together with the couple the day before? But again, if she was planning a longer walk, why didn't she ask about the trials and the other cabins? Perhaps she was standing outside the door trying to make up her mind of what to do that day. If she went for just a short walk, perhaps she would go somwhere she could have a chance to have a look at Galdhøpiggen where she did not summit the day before. If she went up to Skautflya she would have a chance to have a glipse of both Galdhøpiggen and Glittertind (I suppose), and perhaps she tried to go further up from there to have even a better look. There is a possibility that she could have fallen and broken her leg betwwen stones. If she should have walked to Hellstuguåi, and tried to cross that river, I wonder how the searching team crossed that river, If they had any difficulties there?. If is should have fallen into the river, there would be a good chance of finding some of her personal belongings somewhere along the river. I think suicide is a very very unlikly posibility. On the photos that we have seen, she looks very glad. And it would be a very unreasonable way to take her own life after a travelling around like this, and her friends in Oslo, would also be aware of it if there was something bothering her. I think there still are two possibilites: she has had an accident or someone has committed a crime.

Hello again, both me and my husband has been in contact with Lom lensmannskontor today, and told them all we know and think. I have also informed them about this discussion on Fjellforum, (two threads) and they were interested to look at it. Kripos is there with them, so it should not be nescesary to contact them separately.

Hei, I have allready talked to Lensmannen by phone, but I don't think it is all right to phone them every time i think something. They are in charge of the investigation. It is better to anounce mye thoughts here then.

Hello again, Just a tips to the police if they ar reading this threads. I would think it was likely that Marijke could have met the polish man or men at Nordal camping, perhaps earlier on her trip. I would check with Nordal if there was any polish people staying there from friday til saturday.