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Algemeen Dagblad, Rotterdam, late on June 23 http://www.ad.nl/rotterdam/article426034.ece Edit June 26 - virtually the same article got a new URL in addition to the existing one, and features "prime headline" for the Rotterdam-area news at present since Sunday June 25 http://www.ad.nl/rotterdam/stad/article428006.ece .

From Ragnar's translation (page 2 here) of the Gudbrandsdølen Dagningen reporting about the press conference of June 20: Random questions/remarks (I agree that with 20 policeofficers who have all been working on this case continuously ever since early last week, it's kind of crazy to post these questions here. For police will long have thought about all this themselves anyhow. But just bear with me please). 1. Lp scan # 2 says it's 17 km from Elveseter Hotel to Lom, Spiterstulen is even more to the south, so how long is the drive from Lom to Spiterstulen? 2. They arrived at 10 in the morning after he picked her up some 4 or 5 km outside Lom centre (i.e. about an hours walk). 3. So around what time could she have left Lom, and does this early start mean she spent the night there? Probably (I think). 4. Could she buy food that early? Did she (could she) buy food (to take along) at Spiterstulen (any time before she left on Sunday)? 5. When did she arrive in Lom, and did she ever pay a visit to the Tourist Office there? See its opening hours. 6. Susanne: what year of publication is that German version LP Travelguide? 7. The 3 scans indeed seem to cover all that's written about Jotunheimen. I cannot find any mention (warning) there about the season, and when huts and facilities open in Jotunheimen in general. Nothing about bridges f.e. too. Twice readers are advised to contact the Tourist Office in Lom for information about Jotunheimen National Park and for tips on "Wanderwege" i.e. hikingtrails. But it's possible that perhaps elsewhere in the more "general information" for hiking in Norway, the LP warns in respect of the season, huts and other facilities being closed / unavailable before certain dates, and so on. Does it? 8. What other sources besides her LP travelguide (what language? which edition?) did she consult in advance? Who advised her? She bought maps, so was she at the Tourist Office indeed in Lom? Was she (ever) told the season had not yet begun and she was an early foreign tourist there and wárned about the absence of certain facilities still? 9. Several of the lodges/huts can be booked in advance by e-mail. Did she? 10. Did she ask if there was a mountainguide available at Spiterstulen for that day (Sunday), to accompany her in a certain direction? (Maybe a Sunday isn't the best day to ask for a guide, that's possible). 11. Could she have a certain fascination or admiration for Ibsen, and/or his Peer Gynt? The LP guide highly recommends a hike over the "Besseggen Grat". 12. Whether she ever tried to find information in advance through the internet, we don't know. She may have e-mailed with the Tourist Office or with some of the huts (long) in advance; we don't know. But the website http://www.visitlom.com (the one recommended in the Lonely Planet guidebook) at present has its Norwegian version, yet if you click for its English version it now says: And in German it goes like this: But there is no "more"... There is a lot of information on that website, also about a number of hotels and huts. But apart from the date June 1 for a specific hut to open, I can't find anything about accomodations being closed "before the season starts". Maybe that's my fault. Of course I'm all the time denying one possibility with many of the above remarks: that Marijke is (was) rather fluent in Norwegian herself. It's possible; I have no idea.

For what it's worth here, coming from me and from such a distance, I fully agree with Morten. A question in respect of what he says about the chance that "random" tourists/hikers would discover her: are there missing person posters (or flyers) for her in several strategic places inside Jotunheimen, in villages through where (like with Lom) you can enter Jotunheimen, and clearly visible also at or inside the lodges and mountainhuts in Jotunheimen? In order to raise awareness among those future visitors who do not know of this disappearance, and with instructions what to do if they would indeed "discover something" (the woman, or some of her belongings)? And yes I think what the Norwegians have done ever since last week Tuesday, was indeed very impressive. In that respect (and being unable to really read your newsarticles) I'd like to say that in its publication of this morning " Nu.nl " ("nu" meaning "now", a nationwide online newssource) also points out that Mr. Steinar Angard praised the help he has received from the local residents, other tourists, and from the media. In the meantime " L1 " (newssource for the region where Marijke's family comes from) announces that according to her brother Tom, it is expected that (probably) next week a Dutch SAR-team with rescue (recovery) dogs will leave for Norway to continue further searchefforts for the missing woman. That newsitem also says that the weather in Jotunheimen would at present be too bad to continue the searches (I wasn't yet aware of that). For your general info, here is a link to the homepage of that SAR organisation: www.reddingshonden.nl (opens also with a commercial "pop up"). "Stichting Reddings Honden Werkgroep Westervoort", a non-profit and non-governmental rescue organisation. Their specialised dogs playing the main role in their SAR-activities. In the top left menu you find a link to a.o. an English or German version of the main information there. So it looks as if in the near future a Dutch team is taking over from your Norwegian searchteams, to continue the searches though on a smaller scale.

"west" if you own this board, I apologise. If you don't, I don't. Thank you ahb, reser and rogers for your clear explanations of that mountain-rule about digging yourself into the snow. People who are disoriented and in deep trouble can sometimes take entirely the wrong decisions re. how to behave while waiting for help/rescue. With nobody knowing where the woman might be, does anyone know if she would have "snow" around to try and make a sort of cave to be better protected? That's why I brought it up. - - - - - - - - - - - - Dutch press as well as Norwegian press are reporting this morning that the searches have ended. Some report that this would be definite. Other media say it is for the next ± three weeks. Naturally the Norwegian Police and SAR-teams cannot keep searching forever and, as Police (according to what I read) explained, they are now waiting for the snow to melt first because that raises the chances of finding her back indeed. http://www.ad.nl/rotterdam/article423695.ece http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/45199491/Noren_zoeken_niet_meer_naar_Nederlandse.html http://www.nieuwnieuws.nl/archives/2006/06/noorse_politie_stopt_zoektocht.html http://www.gd.no/artikkel.asp?Artid=185672

That's really too bad Astrid, and I'm sorry for you that you lost your entire text that way. I too have learned it "the hard way" in the past also because no webforum or interactive website is the same, which sometimes - technically - leads to losing the complete text you were busy preparing. Nowadays I ALWAYS type or copy a contribution on to a Word document first, a Word document I'm always keeping at hand by way of "notepad". And before I click any preview of send-button or whatever on a website/forum, whatever text it is, is in the Word document first. Some boards indeed don't accept text over a certain length. But not all of them give you a clear warning in that respect, without making you lose whatever it was you were trying to post. Will be interested to read what you wanted to say when you feel up to typing it all again.... May I ask what this is? redcross.no The organisation is clear, of course. But I found that through a link on a Dutch messageboard for Norway: http://www.prikpagina.nl/read.php?f=2104&i=4315&t=4296 The poster sums up the nine "mountain sense rules". Take a look at rule # 9, and compare it to the recommendations in Norwegian, on the Red Cross webpage. I apologise for my difficulties with reading Norwegian, but does it really recommend you should, in an emergency, "dig yourself into the snow if necessary"? And then (if you are alone out there)? How does the colour of your clothing and the very presence of yourself (your body) help to be able to locate (spot) and rescue you, if you've covered yourself in snow (to stay warmer, I assume)? Are these "old" rules?

By clicking this link http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/klipp/172008 at least for the time being you ought to be able to listen to Mr. Angard yourself. "Hør lensmann Steinar Angard om leteaksjonens siste fase" Alternatively, try this link: http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/forside/sok/Angard Found them on the homepage now of the NRK, together with this article of today, 3:27 pm. http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/hedmark_og_oppland/1.636597 : "Trapper trolig ned leteaksjonen" .

Earlier it was said, it seems, that by Friday (i.e. tomorrow) at least some of the specialised searchdogs would need to be returned to Oslo. And I''m afraid that it is a fact that authorities cannot keep searching for ever and ever. On the other hand I feel convinced that as soon as the police in Norway would receive or discover some "new clue" (important information or suspicion), they will again follow-up in that event and do a new search indeed. It is in everybody's interest that this mystery will be solved. As for your remark Susanne about "searching for a few weeks", police can't have started investigating any earlier than Sunday June 11 or Monday June 12. Maybe if it says "a few weeks", that is about the glaciologists and their research lately on Hellstugubreen?

http://www.gd.no/artikkel.asp?Artid=185658 - "Trapper ned leting etter Marijke" (June 22) No "big" news there (yet), am I right?

It's an off-topic reply I'm afraid because it doesn't help in this tragic case. But I know of countries where you can hire a satellite phone when you go on a trek or climb in potentially dangerous ("rough") terrain. And especially if you are nevertheless determined to go on your own. The phone, its batteries: it's all organised somehow to facilitate tourism (amateur, or even more professionally with the use by mountaineers). They are very expensive (I have no idea how expensive), these phones. But provided no service like that exists in Scandinavia / Norway / Jotunheimen, it might be an idea to work out. On an equally off-topic note: it always amazes me how travel insurance companies - as far as I am aware, but I'm really an amateur - néver seem to take "the lead" in developing that type of technical improvements, to help prevent massive searches like for Marijke ever since last week Tuesday. It's not only the problem with communications and mobile/satellite phones: worldwide regarding popular tourist destinations of various types, there are many risks (some clearly fatal) that could be prevented by in fact rather simple solutions or decisions. And the travel insurance companies every now and then have to pay a fortune indeed for major rescue/recovery operations. - - - - - - - - - - - In one of his previous replies here on page 4, Tom said a.o. "What if she hiked with an unknown car down towards Bøverdalen again the morning after?" I have thought about that option too, for after all: she had done it on Saturday as well: stepping into the foreign licensed car of a total stranger. And perhaps she did. However, if people are taking into account the possibility of a crime, then one of the first indications would be what happened in Marijke's bankaccount and with her creditcard ever since June 4. This information is not being released by the police. If a planned crime would be involved ("robbing a solo tourist"), there is a big chance that somehow her bankaccount would have been emptied within the next few days. Judging by the fact that massive searchefforts keep continuing in Jotunheimen and no further attempts were made in public to trace any other specific cars or individuals (other than the Polish man they have spoken with at length), I think that seems a clear indication that authorities have enough reason to believe she is still there due to an accident of some sort, and not being the victim of a crime.

It's off-topic but personally I cannot remember a more memorable "Midsummer Night" in my life than this one: June 21, 2006. Watching the photos NRK publishes in above link, posted by Susanne, is deeply moving and downright touching. "Politiet søker etter den savnende nederlandske kvinnen i området ved Helstuggubreen i Jotunheimen. Uklar merking kan ha ført henne inn i det farlige området." . . . . Where is she, and "how is she"? Watching (from both photos) people risking their lives, and the lives of their dogs. And naturally I'm reminded of a remark that was apparently made during last night's press conference: about stronger rules for tourists in Jotunheimen, and for the staff at the accomodations there, regarding the requirement to write down what your next destination will be for the end of the day. Somebody should ask NRK about the copyright situation of these photos, particularly the one with the men, and the dog, tied together on the Hellstugubreen glacier: searching for the missing woman. I imagine that that photo could help a lot and "do a lot of good" in any (promotion) campaign, inside or outside of Norway, to make tourists/hikers better aware of dangers of trekking solo (on your own) in mountains, and how you shouldn't jeopardize your life and the lives of rescuers. That is nót to say that Marijke Vervoort went out on a glacier indeed and all alone. Nobody knows. The reason of her disappearance may be due to something that nobody can blame her for, ever. Don't forget that! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - For those who manage to understand (a little bit of) Dutch, at present you can listen to a short radio interview (2:02 minutes) with her brother Tom via the website of "L1", a newssource in the province of Limburg where Marijke was born. "Weinig hoop dat Marijke Vervoort levend wordt gevonden" - click on the "headphone" icon to hear her brother tell about the searchoperations in Norway. The interview was recorded on June 19, and he says that the family has been warned by the Lom Police to prepare themselves for the realistic chance that Marijke will not be found back alive. Her brother had meanwhile returned home, unable to cope any longer with the stress and the whole situation of witnessing all the efforts made to find his sister back. His mother, however, still seems to be in (near) Jotunheimen. edited to correct the spellng of the glacier's name

Published today by NRK Norway in the news for Hedmark and Oppland: http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/hedmark_og_oppland/1.626703 "Savnet lurt av uklar merking?"

Tom may I politely say that those are yóur words. I am more of a "guest" here, on this board. And I have no intention of insulting the Norwegians, as you will understand. But it felt remarkable enough (that account on the Dutch website) to show it here, yes.

Fair enough regarding Tom and what he said in his point 4, and about statistics. Yet if you want to go focussing on thát possibility, the moderators may as well close this thread. As long as she hasn't been found back, it means something is very wrong and people ought to be out to try and help her, and if anything: find her! Well, that's exactly what they are all trying and doing! Tom you said the river comes to your mind every time. Since last night when Ragnar posted translations of the outcome of the press conference, it's the breakfast (and taking no lunch packet along) that plays through my mind. Let me show something. On a "sister website" of the Dutch website of www.climbing.nl (where they have an appeal for information about Marijke on their homepage since last week), there is a long travelstory about a trek in Jotunheimen, apparently in 2003. This is the account of a female Dutch trekker who has made many, many hikes/treks in several countries abroad. If you "Google" her name, you will see what I mean. Her travelstories are published in several places. So, in my opinion, she is not only experienced with making long walks, but also with huts and with what you can/should generally expect in huts, in several countries. Here is my translation: Remarkable? Yes. The author, as said, is an experienced hiker. The website is a "respected" source for information on climbing. So shall we say that the described experience with staff at Spiterstulen in 2003 was a bad exception? Or did Marijke leave without breakfast and without food for lunch for a different reason than not feeling too well (or whatever else that has nothing to do with the hut and whether or not it was a pleasant experience for her to be there)? I'm sorry to bring this up here. But unless her colleagues at work (at the hospital) and one or two close friends can state that yes: nowadays it's perfectly normal for her to skip breakfast (always, or sometimes), it worries me that - according to the police - she left without both: breakfast and lunch, and with a questionmark in the book about where she would be going next.

A few hours later the article was taken offline, or at least with my computer the link meanwhile leads to the homepage of the online Gudbrandsdølen Dagningen. And no mention there, now, of the long publication with news from the press conference. Also no message saying the article is "archived". That decision will have a reason, and I'm glad I saved a copy of the original full text in time. A few hours ago the Dutch national press agency ANP released a report about the press conference in Lom. Several Dutch newspapers put it online already. But fact is that the ANP item is much less detailed than the one initially made available by GD. Here is a link to the publication by www.vg.no "Utvider søket etter Marijke" Edit June 21 - It turns out the full article is back online, only its URL has changed. Here it is: http://gd.no/artikkel.asp?Artid=185373 - "Leter videre fra Spiterstulen" MARIJKE-FORSVINNINGEN: Forklaringene fra polakken som Marijke Vervoort haiket med, styrker politiet i troen om at hun befinner seg i fjellområdet innover fra Spiterstulen. .

Tom please don't take this tóó personal, but you challenge me with point 4 of your reply. You live in Oslo, I live south of Amsterdam. That's quite a difference geographically and in terms of latitude and climate. Marijke comes from even a little bit further down south. When I was still in school many years ago, we were taught about suicide statistics and how - statistically i.e. by percentage - the more up north towards the north pole, the higher the numbers (percentages) of adult people ending their lives. Long winters, lack of daylight hours and sunshine "vitamins", loneliness, you name it. Conditions more specific for life near or above the polar circle. (Japan is a different story: more culturally defined instead of by climate and latitude). I'm amazed by the number of reactions (not only here on this board) that suggest right away what you suggest as well with your 4th point. Can you guys please stop thinking that what was or is more common for people in parts of Scandinavia, is common for tourists from Holland as well? Re. 1 and 2: the possibility of a snow bridge collapsing was mentioned already; glaciers are dangerous and especially for their crevasses, the avalanche risk seems extremely small, but of course it's possible to have an accident while out there. But no breakfast, and no lunch packed to take along? How far do you go and what mountain or glacier or river would you want to conquer if you haven't eaten anything, apparently, before you left? At some point a few days ago somebody said that after paying her bill at the hut, she went outside and she was seen waiting, with her rucksack. Waiting in front of the hut. Waiting for what? Was that a "false rumour", or is it true she seemed to be waiting for someone to pick her up? For if she was, maybe she planned to eat something in Lom or whatever village she wanted to go outside the Jotunheimen park. Or elsewhere in Jotunheimen, but much farther away. Finally I recommend that you read => this <= , as in all honesty I know of no better inspiration to keep continuing the efforts and help motivating people to try and find her back....

Edit June 26: If you click on any of the above Lonely Planet-scans, a page with the text opens. While it's opening, the text is "big" enough to read. Once it's fully opened, it "shrinks" back (becomes smaller) and you can't read it anymore. However: that's when you move your cursor to the down-right corner of the scan, where an icon with 4 arrows then pops up. Click on that icon, and the text will ENLARGE again so you can read it all. Adding this explanation because it seems odd that the 1st scan here was used by readers much more often than the next two. Maybe they didn't know how to enlarge the photoscan of the text. - - - - - - - - - - - - - Great job, Ragnar. Before they wouldn't understand what's going on, the people from "down under", let me just add that the copyright of what's in above scans belongs entirely to Lonely Planet Publications Pty Ltd. There is no question about that. A few pages are just being borrowed here, for now. (Pity there was nó English edition of the LP travelguide for NORWAY available where you looked around IN NORWAY, today... Pity too that the LP-website says almost nothing at all about Jotunheimen). As for the press conference of tonight, that was very bad news. After the initial relief that he reported himself and Police were finally able to speak with him at length, it turns out the Polish man does nót know what Marijke's plans were... What a great shame. So a date has been set to end the searches at least where the dogs are concerned, even if she would not be found back by then? Chilling news, all this, and probably a bit of a personal tragedy too for the Polish national, at least for the time being. There are nicer ways to make headlines in a country than by being one of the last persons to team up with a meanwhile missing foreign tourist. So it's back to the big question whère she went that Sunday morning, and all packed. With a questionmark written in the book at Spiterstulen, regarding where she was planning on going. Keep in mind that relatives as well as several of her (close) friends have stated that she is a very experienced traveller, absolutely not "foolish" or irresponsible in decisions she would take, an intelligent woman and a woman who always prepared herself thoroughly before setting out on any new holiday/hiking adventure. Someone who would have been very much aware of the dangers of mountains and glaciers. And wild rivers. I don't know her, but she doesn't seem like the person who would decide to cross f.e. a glacier all on her own. No matter how safe it looks, for no glacier is ever really "safe". On a related note: would for example these people (the organisation) actively help as well in trying to determine where she may have gone: the Norwegian Tourist/Trekking Association? I was reminded of them when you mentioned the boattrip people can make, as it looked very appealing indeed. But such tourism organisations must have statistics of what tourists usually do in Jotunheimen, and where, and how long, and why.

Thanks for posting about the announcement of the press conference, Ragnar. (And apologies I never thought about a translation of the latest, highly important news I posted). As for the use of maps, readers here may take an interest too in what a TT-poster said a few minutes ago: Thorn Tree-link, please read reply # 2 by a long-time user there.

http://gd.no/artikkel.asp?Artid=185355 Copyright © 2006 Gudbrandsdølen Dagningen AS

Some of the latest publicised news (published yesterday June 19) looks real grim: http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=120158 http://www.gd.no/artikkel.asp?Artid=185219 http://www.oa.no/Innenriks/article2155485.ece All three articles report about "special" dogs being brought in from Oslo, dogs trained in finding back a dead body. Several forumusers, inside or outside of Norway, have their own ideas and thoughts about where the missing woman may have gone, what may have happened, and what police could perhaps (in addition to what they're doing already) investigate, to establish more of her whereabouts. Let me urge all of you who seriously think you have something relevant and useful to say/report, to simply get in touch with the Lom police right away. The contact-details, including an e-mailaddress, for the Lom Lensmannskontor can be found here http://app.norge.no/styresmakter/liste.asp?tail=21803 (I'm probably assuming correctly that they have enough staff at present to deal with increased communications and an extra amount of incoming e-mails, faxes and phonecalls).

About speculations. While we'll all agree we should do our best not to hurt the feelings of Marijke's relatives and friends, the reality of the present situation is not "rosy". We know relatives and several friends are out in Jotunheimen, helping with the searches. But what else can "we" do but think, and sometimes speculate? Not out of sensation, but out of good will and attempts to find realistic clues. Press reported that the Police did receive several tips (information) that apparently they can work with; whether that's the result of Norwegian media publications or also coming from people who have only learned about the situation through appeals on webforums, is irrelevant. It's the help that counts. I received several private messages here from people who showed links to appeal-posts they made themselves on a variety of other webforums. And yes, some people dó speculate about where she may have gone and what may have happened. And the Lonely Planet guidebook for Norway was mentioned, wondering what exactly its newest editions write and recommend about Jotunheimen, especially for a first-time visitor there. So I've put up a post just now in the LP Thorn Tree-forum for Scandinavia, asking just that: what does the LP travelguide for Norway suggest (recommend) that one does after arrival in Jotunheimen/Spiterstulen (in Marijke's case)? And what would they do? Hoping for sensible reactions there though it's not a very busy TT forum, that one. It would be better to have the full text here, with more people actively interested in how this mystery (tragedy) can be solved. Earlier in this thread somebody asked if the bridges were put back in place again early June? Were they? It can be a real problem if you're counting on them but they are not there... http://www.geocities.com/nandn_europe/norway/norway.htm Photo from the same page "The river that could not be crossed" <--- click link. A bit more speculation: it is said that Marijke returned and started to descend Galdhoppigen when the Polish companion "walked too fast for her" up towards the summit. It's a rather steep climb indeed, I was told, but easy to walk and on a well-marked path. So was it her condition that made her decide to turn back instead of reaching the summit and enjoying the beautiful view, or didn't she like his attitude? Or did they never intend to climb together, and descend again together? She looks cheerful enough to me in this photo that was made on that afternoon of June 3.

Welcome Susanne! That's wonderful what you did with the appeal on the Norwegen Treffpunkt!!! For your information here is a second forumthread on Fjellforum about Marijke; I started it because I didn't notice there was this thread already. It's a much shorter thread, but there are two more photos of her there as well: URGENT!!! - HIKER MISSING IN JOTUNHEIMEN since Sunday June 4 And I'd just like to make clear again that I am no relative (family) of the missing woman, nor did I ever know her before Dutch press started to publish about her disappearance. Just trying to find ways to use the internet as a "tool" to trace important information that may help the Police to find Marijke back.

Gudbrandsdolen Dagningen on Monday June 19 "Ingen tips om polakken" <<-- click link Please read the whole article; online newsarticles of this paper disappear into its archives rather soon, it seems. So there is still no "we found her!!!" yet... As ever I have the problem with the language, trying to read the Norwegian newsarticle. The Opel Astra is a blue stationwagon, so much is clear. But is there anything specific in the search for information that "we" (meaning forumusers) could help with? The Rotterdam-based "Algemeen Dagblad" (click link) published a new short article around 6 pm last night, saying Police is actively looking for tourists who have stayed in the Spiterstulen-area at the same time Marijke did. Norway being a (politically) "safe" country, I am not assuming that foreign tourists make a habit of telling their Embassy where exactly they'll be going. (In various other countries this is highly recommended, to send your travelitinerary to your Embassy, just in case). I understand there is a safety-system with books/registers, where you should fill in your details and next destination. But that is only at huts, not for those who'll sleep in tents. So do those of you who know the situation and the habits (with tourists) know of any other way we can urgently try to be of help to the Police? There are appeal-posts for information about Marijke on just some 10 travelboards now (as far as I'm aware), and a few others such as a board specialised in GPS data. There are many more travelboards for Norway. And organisations into hiking in Europe / Norway, with a website or even a regular newsletter. Can anyone say anything about the nationalitiesof foreign tourists that make the highest percentages of visitors to Jotunheimen in May/June? And: what about Norwegian nationals? For them it's a popular hiking destination as well. How is the media coverage regarding this disappearance in mainstream media in Norway? There are three Norwegian newspapers specifically that keep publishing, with photos, about Marijke all the time. Are you under the impression we should try to activate some people who could ask newspapers with a wider coverage to put up a front page appeal for information? Or would that be mingling into the affairs of your Police, who - after all - have experience with previous disappearances in Jotunheimen and who know very well how to organise a press conference? Just asking. Please advise.

That's what I thought too: if you have not made a real decision yet about where you are going, writing down a questionmark seems even better than leaving the destination "blank".

Andere Frage, jetzt mal in Deutsch besonders für Detlef. In der Holländische Presse habe ich irgendwo ("AD") gelesen dass im Buch im Spiterstulen Hütte, Marijke statt ihr vorgenommenes Ziel (nächste Hütte, nächstes Ort wo sie hin wollte) ein Fragezeichen aufgeschrieben hat. Keine Namen (von einer Hütte), aber sie hat da auch nicht nichts eingetragen, sondern ein Fragezeichen aufgeschrieben. Weißt jemand ob das stimmt? Denn wenn es stimmt (ich habe es schließlich nur in einer Zeitung gelesen), habt ihr hier da vielleicht Ideen was das bedeuten kann? Ob sie vielleicht damit rechnete Jotunheimen ganz zu verlassen am Sonntag? (und es also keine gewissene Hütte als "Ziel" gab, das sie wusste, als sie es so eingetragen hat?) Ich versuche wirklich die Bitte nicht zu spekulieren, zu respektieren. Bin nur neugierig ob das öfters passiert: daß Wanderer im Jotunheimen ehrlich nichts anderes als ein Fragezeichen da im Buch aufschreiben können, weil sie nicht wissen wo sie hingehen. Und wenn sie so etwas tun, aus welchem Grund? Spielt das Wetter da eine Rolle vielleicht, und das man nicht weißt wie weit man kommen kann?

This is something I have been wondering about already: communications with the Lom Police by those who really have useful things to say (on this board). Astrid you already wrote that a few days ago, you phoned the Police to inform them you were there on June 4 and give them your observations. Meanwhile the news with the Polish man and his car came up. You said you have seen more Polish nationals there that day. And if you didn't yet mention their presence to the Police, I think you should call them again! What if they dón't keep an eye on this thread at present? Did you leave your phonenumber with them, so they can call you back if they want more information from you? (By the way: no need to give me an answer of course, and certainly not on a public board). Don't worry about "phoning them every time you think of something"!!! They too want this search TO END a.s.a.p., by finding the missing woman back!!! Please call them, though right now it may be a bit late in the evening to do so still. On the other hand, it's still (day)light out there up in Norway, isn't it? It's the 18th of June! I have no idea if one or more of the moderators of the Fjellforum watch out for this too: eyewitness information, on the board or by private message. Astrid and her husband are eyewitnesses not specifically of Marijke's whereabouts, but a.o. things of the situation around Spiterstulen Hut on June 4. In a previous reply here I have said that myself I have mailed links to the 2 threads here about Marijke, to the contact-address for her relatives & friends and to the Policeforce in charge in Holland. But that force, the Dutch one, is not actively engaged in the search of course. And I simply had nor have an e-mail address for the Lom Police (assuming that "Lensmannen" all the time, means the same as Police). Wouldn't it be better to contact thém and by phone if there is something important to say, instead of expecting them to keep watching this webforum? They have to be out and searching!